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He Says/She Says with SmooveSalsero! Part 1: I Love You?

Posted by Christie - 20/01/11 at 08:01 am

After a feisty tweet-off about dating rules with one of our favorite readers, Myron (aka SmooveSalsero), we thought it’d be fun to pin him down about some of our favorite dating “issues” and see how our opinions compared.  Are men and women really that different? Do we *maybe* see things the same way? Wait–don’t answer that!!

But instead of viewing men as the Coke, and women as the Pepsi, maybe our he said/she said will out us all as Dr. Pepper?

As such, we bring you….. our newest he says/she says!


1. Who should say “I Love You” first? Is there a timeline/deadline where it has to be said?

He says: I know many women would feel like they’d be waiting forever and half an eternity for this to happen with certain guys, but I think it should be the man who says “I love you” first. A younger, less mature version of myself would disagree with what I am about to say, but I am a firm believer that it should be the man who initiates and sets the tone of a relationship.  Why, you ask?  Consider these things:  even the most independent, liberal, “I-don’t-need-a-man” type of woman wants to feel desired and pursued; that the man that is with her chose her above any other woman.  Even the laziest, timid, wishy-washy, unassertive man will go after something if he really wants it.  Ladies, you would rather have a guy that really wants you as opposed to a guy that just kinda wants you or isn’t sure if he wants you, right?  If you have to say “I love you” first, he either isn’t sure he that he does, or he doesn’t love/want you enough.

Now, here’s where it gets complicated.  If you tell a guy you love him first, he may stick around and tell you what you want to hear.  Why would he do this? Here’s an analogy that may help.  I prefer Pepsi over Coke (yet, I’m from the South… go figure).  I don’t dislike Coke, but if I have my choice and I really want a soda, I’m going to get a Pepsi.  However, if you just happen to offer me a free Coke, I’m probably not going to turn it down.  Now, if you give me Diet Coke, which I really can’t stand the taste of, I’m probably going to turn you down, unless I’m just dying of thirst.  Get the picture?  If something free just falls into someone’s lap, said person is not going to turn it down unless he or she truly does not like whatever it is.  Same as with a relationship: unless the guy is one of the more honorable of the gender or he just finds you completely repulsive, he is going to let you hang around instead of telling you he really doesn’t like you like that, because having you around is better than not having a girlfriend.

As far as a timeline or deadline, I don’t think you can put a rule or guideline on it.  You have to know that for yourself.  How long is too long for you?  It also depends on the other person.  Whether you’re a woman waiting on the guy to say it first or you’re the guy and you’re waiting for her to reciprocate, you have to decide for yourself if that person is worth it.  You have to know your own worth first, and from there you can determine if your time is being wasted or not.

Christie Says: SmooveSalsero makes really good points…and now I am also craving a soda (I also like Pepsi!).  I think I’ve mostly had relationships where I do find that the man says “I love you” first…to me, that has signified his commitment to a serious relationship that is definitely going somewhere.

However, I do think that there is something to be said for girl power, and for cutting through the crap.  When I was in my early 20’s, I often felt I was game playing rather than really committing.  I had a set of arbitrary rules in my mind, and I would hang onto someone longer than I should have because I was following the rulebook and waiting on him to act like the plot of some sort of 1940’s movie.  As I get older, I realize that I don’t have the time or patience for game playing or waiting around…so, I often just cut to the chase.  Granted, this may not mean saying “I love you” first, but it does mean that if I don’t feel it, or if my gut twinges and says “this doesn’t feel quite right” then I move on.

I do this because I whole-heartedly believe that you know.  In a good relationship you know if he loves you and you love him, regardless if the words have been spoken or not.   It’s shown in every small way–how you talk to each other, how you take of each other, even with how you look at each other (with that special sparkle in your eye! Versus, you know, a creepy stare).  And if you feel after a certain period of time that you don’t know, or you feel like you need to say it in order to find out, then you are in denial about his feelings and probably just kidding yourself. I say this knowing it is harsh, but I honestly believe that it is a basic truth.

As to the timeline–whenever it feels right.  Say it. Don’t be afraid to shout it from the rooftops.  If you feel that certain, then he does too.

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  • Testemail1938

    What if someone offers you a pepsi? Then? Would you want a coke or be okay with pepsi?

  • Toddy

    I am that girl ugh! Who is waiting for him to say it first!! Honestly we havent been dating that long so I feel like I might have to wait a lot longer, but He treats me better than great and I am happy. So why stress over three little words. Right??? Cheers, T.

  • Hang in there girl! It's worth the wait :-)

  • At the risk of beating a horse that wants to rest in peace, here's an article by @HotAlphaFemale on this very same subject:

    http://hotalphafemale.com/2008...

  • I'm starting to realize that I need to clarify a lil' bit more on my stance on this...

    Israly made a very good point in that when one guy she was with took a long time to say "I love you", but he showed it in every other way. Some of us men may have a hard time verbalizing it, but if the guy really does love you, he's going to show it CLEARLY (not little bitty signs that you read too deep into or see what you want to see from them) long before he says those 3 words. Ladies, (not that I'm a relationship guru or anything) if you are convinced by his actions that he loves you, by all means tell and/or show him that you love him. What I am against is a woman coming out and saying it when the guy hasn't taken it there, with actions or with word. If you feel that the guy is the exception and he's just being dense as Israly said, ask where this is going. We all deserve the respect of having clarity and closure. Another reason I am against a woman coming out w/ it first is that unless you have a rare exception on your hands, you have to question the caliber of man you're dealing with if he is allowing you to feel insecure and confused about the relationship. If he's being wishy-washy and stringing you along, playing with your valuable heart, do you really want him anyway?

  • True! But often times I see girls who are feeling confused because the guy is sending mixed signals taking the first step in defining the situation. That's the part I am against. If a guy is being wishy-washy or playing the "consitent insconsistency" game with you, my advice is: RUUUUNNNNNN!! Don't even ask why he is doing it. Bottom line, he is an idiot and that is good enough explanation for me. I've been there, and while I wanted some closure, I stayed away from asking why. I simply stated I had enough of it and that I wanted out, wished him well and kept my head high (while repeating in my head "he is an idiot, he is an idiot, he is an idiot"). :P

  • EXACTLY!!! That's why I say, if you're confused and have to ask, you're better off assuming and RUN AWAY. Like you said, if he really wants you, he'll man up at that point and do what he has to do to win you and keep you.

  • Indeed, Mario Kart was (still is) the ish. I'm a bit partial to 007: GoldenEye myself, though ;-)

  • Seems easier to just agree you both want to say it and then play a game of Mario Kart to sort out who actually has to say it.

  • I kind of agree. Or at least I think that it can happen that two people enter into some kind of stalemate where each one is waiting for the other to make a move. That's where some intuition and courage come in handy. Like Christie said, when you know, you know. And while you don't necessarily have to dive straight into the deep end by spewing those 3 words, I think its perfectly acceptable to start the dialogue by offering up your own feelings. Otherwise, holding back your feelings for a long period can stifle the relationship and push it off course.

  • Christie

    ooh, I miss mario kart!!

  • Christie,

    We actually agree on this more than you think. I definitely think a woman shouldn't have to wait around, playing games and such. As you said, if you've been with the guy for longer than you think before any progress is made, by all means move on. Say what you have to say, but 9 times out of 9.5, if you have to be the first to say "I love you", you're most likely in denial. Also, we men need to step up and make sure there is clarity in the relationship.

    A pleasure chatting w/ y'all :-)

    Myron
    @SmooveSalsero
    http://smoovesalsero.blogspot....

  • Hmmmmm I think both make good points. I agree with Myron that is better to let the guy say it first. I do not believe in asking a guy on where he sees things going. If you have to ask, then there is a problem. Like Christie, I just move on from the situation if it doesn't feel right. If the guy was just being dense, that will for sure wake him up and set him to action. But more often than not, your gut feeling is right. If it doesn't feel right then move on. I was in a 7 year relationship and it took about 6 months for him to say he loved me. I didn't ditch him and was able to wait for him to say those words because he showed his interest in every other possible way. Even when he had not said the all important 3, I knew I was the only one in his life. But with other people I have not had that much patience because they just didn't feel right. I moved on from them and I am glad I did.

  • I agree with Christie. While Myron makes some good points, I think you know when you know - and that you don't necessarily need to wait. Shout it out. Hey - if you really truly feel it, and you DON'T know what he thinks? You could always talk about it. Maybe not "hey I love you, whaddaya think about that?" but on the seriousness of a relationship. I am firm believer in communication, and that you should be able to be open with your partner about everything within the scope of that relationship - number one your feelings. Talking about them is a good way to determine if you're on the same page - and if not, if that is ok or not.

    However. Although I don't agree with timelines, I do think that, if you are saying "I love you" a month into one relationship after another? It's time to look at yourself. Maybe you need some time alone.There are a lot of people out there who don't consider how they truly feel OR take "I love you" seriously enough. It's serious, people, not something to throw around because you just had two organisms or he bought you flowers.

  • Christie

    Oooh, Nikki B--you raise really good points. Timeline does matter, and just falling in love quickly with anyone should send off red flags!!

    But I totally agree, communication IS key. Thanks for highlighting that!

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